Published May 13, 2026, 8:31 AM EDT
Taylor Gates is an Indiana native who earned her BFA in Creative Writing from the University of Evansville. She fell in love with entertainment by watching shows about chaotic families like Full House, The Nanny, Gilmore Girls, and The Fosters.
After college, she moved to Los Angeles to pursue a career as a writer, editor, and filmmaker. Today, she’s a sucker for dramedies — especially coming-of-age stories centering around complex female and LGBTQ+ characters. She has been with Collider since May 2022.
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This interview contains spoilers for Margo’s Got Money Troubles, Episode 7.
Summary
- Nick Offerman and Thaddea Graham break down Margo's Got Money Troubles Episode 7.
- Graham discusses her favorite costumes in the show.
- Offerman dives into the love triangle between Jinx, Lace, and Shyanne, and what it's like working with Michelle Pfeiffer and Nicole Kidman.
Nick Offerman has taken on many iconic roles over the years. Though best known for the manly, stoic, and hilarious Ron Swanson in Parks and Rec, he’s also appeared in blockbuster comedies like We’re the Millers, action flicks like Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning, and one of the most heartbreaking episodes of The Last of Us ever, which won him an Emmy. He’s had a diverse and impressive career, but he’s never been better than he is in Margo’s Got Money Troubles as Jinx, young mother Margo’s (Elle Fanning) flawed but deeply lovable former pro-wrestler father. The part allows him to show more range and nuance than any other project he’s done thus far.
You might not know Thaddea Graham’s name quite yet, but I have a feeling that’s going to change very soon. The last year alone saw the rising star appear in After the Hunt and Jay Kelly, and before that, she appeared in multiple episodes of Sex Education and Doctor Who. She brings a sense of both whimsy and groundedness to the show as Margo’s supportive friend and roommate Susie, becoming part of a sweet, unexpected found family with her and Jinx.
Collider got the chance to speak with Offerman and Graham about the show. Throughout the conversation, the two discussed the logistical challenges of filming the intense overdose scene in Episode 7, their favorite costumes, what they would like to see in a potential Season 2, and more.
Nick Offerman and Thaddea Graham Break Down the Intense Episode 7 Overdose Scene
“There's so much thought and preparation that goes in that I don't think people maybe initially realized.”
Apple TVCOLLIDER: I want to skip ahead a little bit and talk about Episode 7, where Margo and Susie find Jinx overdosed in the bathtub. I'm sure that was not an easy scene for either of you to shoot, so I'm curious what things you did to prepare to film that moment.
THADDEA GRAHAM: Well, I think it took an awful lot of prep from the entire team, from so many departments. There's so much thought and preparation that goes into it that I don't think people maybe initially realized. You see it coming up on the schedule, and we have stunt rehearsals. They have conversations about, “How do we make the bath safe? Can we do a rubber edge around it instead, so if we do hit it, it's not gonna hurt?”
NICK OFFERMAN: It’s a classic formed bathtub that we've all seen that has a porcelain finish — they made that out of rubber for our comfort.
GRAHAM: And the tiling, right?
OFFERMAN: And the tiling. That's how thoughtful they are. They're like, “How can we do this so our actors don't cry as much as possible?”
GRAHAM: And there are all of the rigs as well — the camera tricks that we do. There's an incredible underwater shot. They built a tub outside of the set so that they could do that safely and get the space to do it, and there are resets from costume, and hair, and makeup. They think about, “How can we shoot this in the most succinct way possible so we can do limited resets?” We flood the bathroom every single time, and they've got to bring in this huge hoover that vacuums up all the water. It's just an incredible team effort, and I think, at the end of the day, you go home, and you go, “Wow, we did something today.”
The home inspection at the end of that episode is also so tense. Margo telling Jinx that she has nothing to hide and she can't deal with him really broke my heart. Nick, do you think that her words stung Jinx, or is his guilt eating at him so much that he kind of feels like he deserves it?
OFFERMAN: It's so hard. I want to answer you earnestly, even though this is emotional territory, so I want to just be funny, but I'll resist the urge. I feel like that's part of Jinx's strength — that he's able to take the truth on board. It happens a few times in the series, I think. He doesn't like to hear it, but he doesn't disbelieve it, and Margo has the gumption to tell him the truth. And I really love that about him. That's why he ends up making some of the mistakes that he makes, because he is too aware of those truths about himself.
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Someone crosses a line. How do you respond? Every Sheridan protagonist has a line. What matters is what happens after it's crossed.
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AI do what has to be done to protect what's mine. I'll answer for it eventually — but not today. BGrey is just business. The line moves depending on what's at stake, and I move with it. CI have a code — it's not the law's code, but it's mine, and I don't break it. DI've made peace with it. Keeping the peace requires compromises most people don't have the stomach for.
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What are you actually fighting to hold onto? Every Sheridan character is fighting a war. The real question is what they're defending.
AA way of life that the modern world is doing everything it can to erase. BMy position — and the leverage that comes with being the person everyone needs to close a deal. CRelevance. I've been away, I've been written off — and I'm proving that was a mistake. DWhatever fragile order I've managed to build — because without it, everything burns.
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How do you lead? Authority in Sheridan's world is never given — it's established, maintained, and constantly tested.
ABy example and force of will. People follow me because they believe in what I'm protecting — and because they know what happens if they don't. BThrough negotiation and leverage. I don't need people to like me — I need them to need me. CBy being the smartest, most experienced person in the room and making sure everyone quietly knows it. DBy being the calm centre of a situation that would spiral without me — and accepting that nobody thanks you for it.
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Someone new arrives and tries to change how things work. Your reaction? Every Sheridan show has an outsider disrupting an established order. Sometimes that outsider is you.
AThey'll learn. Or they won't. Either way, the land was here before them and it'll be here after. BI figure out what they want, what they're worth, and whether they're an asset or a problem — fast. CI was the outsider once. I give them a chance — one — to show they understand respect. DNew players destabilise everything I've built. I assess the threat and manage it before it manages me.
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What has your position cost you? Nobody gets to where these characters are without paying for it. The bill is always personal.
AMy family's peace — maybe their innocence. The ranch demands everything, and I've let it take too much. BRelationships, time, any version of a normal life. The job eats everything that isn't nailed down. CYears. Decades in some cases. Time I can't get back — but I'm not done yet. DMy conscience, mostly. And the ability to ever fully trust anyone on either side of the wall.
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‘Margo’s Got Money Troubles’ Star Thaddea Graham Reveals Her Favorite Susie Costume (and How She Influenced It)
“Okay, we need this really cool costume, but we need it Susiefied.”
Image via ©Apple TV+ / Courtesy Everett CollectionI love how this series sees Susie gaining this found family with Margo and Jinx, but we also get these little moments between Susie and Rose and KC. Do you think there's a friendship blossoming between them, and what do you think that dynamic would look like?
GRAHAM: Hell yeah, I think there's something happening there. I think craft sees craft, and she sees these two incredible people, who are so creative, so bold, and so unapologetic. When they give her a compliment, I think she's like, “Oh wow — that lands different from you,” so I would love to see what happens next there. When you find people who are akin and people who are out there doing their own thing, it’s really cool.
I love all of the costumes. I love the cosplay element. Is there a favorite costume that you got to wear in this show?
GRAHAM: Yeah, it has to be Shadowheart — or Shadowhat, as Jinx likes to say. I think the costumes across the board are fantastic. They're so rich, and they're so tailored to the character because, yes, Susie loves cosplay, and yes, we're doing this incredible show for Apple, but she's a college student — she doesn't have the money. Margo's not the only one with money troubles. Susie doesn't have the resources to make it flawless and high-tech, and so I think that's a huge thing that Mirren [Gordon-Crozier], our costume designer, did to take the care to go, “Okay, we need this really cool costume, but we need it Susiefied.”
I crochet, and I brought that to the conversation that maybe she could make the baby blanket for Bodhi as a gift. That's what I do for my friends or people who are having kids, so part of her costume — the chainmail with armor — is crocheted if you look close, and then, the body piece is made up of the tabs from soda cans. Mirren collected them from people on set, from the crew, from friends, from family, and I felt really proud to wear it and to step on the set and go, “Do you know what? I'm wearing something that everybody has contributed to.” If you give her a compliment, she's like, “No, no, no, no, no,” it's so rejected, but we have to give her her flowers.
And also, one of our writers, Eva Anderson, seeing her reaction to me walking in as Shadowheart, was unbelievable. Mirren wasn't on set to see it, and I wish she had been, because so much of Susie is Eva. Eva loves the cosplay world, she loves Baldur’s Gate 3, she loves Shadowheart, and to see her joy? I mean, she couldn't stay still. She's walking around going, “Oh my God! Oh my god! This is amazing!” That's magic.
Nick Offerman and Thaddea Graham on Jinx’s Love Triangle and a Potential ‘Margo’s Got Money Troubles’ Season 2
“There's certainly a lot of embers being stoked in the fireplace.”
Nick, I absolutely love watching you play off of both Michelle and Nicole. Jinx has so much history and chemistry with both Shyanne and Lace. Do you think there's hope to rekindle a romantic connection with either one of them in the future?
OFFERMAN: It's very funny to me, Nick Offerman, to be asked that question like that in reality. That's crackers that I've arrived at this point. [Laughs] I'm in a junket, and I'm legitimately being asked. Sure. I don't know. I have long since learned not to speculate about what brilliant writers might come up with, and so whether they will or they won't, I just look forward to how they're going to make us all feel with the storyline. There's certainly a lot of embers being stoked in the fireplace. First of all, we're just hoping to get a Season 2, and then, if we do, it's gonna be so thrilling to see where they take us.
I love how many combinations of characters that are so surprising to see interact in the show. I think that's one of its biggest strengths. Is there a character that your character didn't really get to interact with this season that you would really love to see them connect with in Season 2?
GRAHAM: I think for me, it would be Shyanne. I think she just so admires her — the unapologetic way that she walks into a room, the energy, the fierceness, and the unfiltered things that come out of her mouth. I think Susie's just in awe, and I would love to see them together. There’s a part — I think they're at dinner — and she says to Margo, “Oh, is Susan taking care of Bodhi?” And I think it's those little, “I'll be Susan. I'll be whatever you want me to be. I just want to talk to you.” I think it's really cool.
OFFERMAN: I'd love to see that. When the writers were figuring out how the season was gonna end, there was talk of something between me and Michael Angarano.
GRAHAM: I remember that.
OFFERMAN: Which I liked. There was a begrudging everybody swallowing their pride and being like, “Look, let's all step up to the plate and take care of this kid.” I feel like there's a wonderful opportunity to see Jinx and Kenny get locked in a room together or some sort of situation where they have to really take each other's measure, because those are always really fun. It seems like oil and water, but I think they might find some common ground.
GRAHAM: Imagine you two in an escape room.
I go to Eva next, so I will pitch this. I have to see this now.
OFFERMAN: I'd be trying to operate the walls, and he'd just be praying.
Margo's Got Money Troubles Episode 7 is now streaming on Apple TV.
Release Date 2026 - 2026-00-00
Network Apple TV
Directors Dearbhla Walsh
Writers Rufi Thorpe
English (US) ·