Superman & Lois Season 4: Alex Garfin Reflects On Jordan's Trauma After Clark's Death & His Take On Superboy

Following the end of Superman & Lois season 3, the final season is going through its darkest year yet as the family is dealing with their biggest threat in the form of Lex Luthor. While Clark Kent may have died at the hands of Doomsday, the Man of Steel is finally back in the word of the living. However, with a complicated heart running through him, Superman's return is now a new challenge for the Lane-Kent family to handle for the rest of the Superman & Lois season 4 story.

ScreenRant recently sat down with Garfin for an extensive interview about his legacy playing Jordan for four seasons, as the Superman & Lois series finale is only a few episodes away from its end. Garfin reflected on getting the chance to play an original iteration of Superboy in a major DC franchise, how Jordan is dealing with the trauma of his father's death, and seeing his brother now have powers, too. Garfin also shared his thoughts on Superman & Lois ending as James Gunn's DC Universe is coming up and what is next for him after the DC TV series.

Alex Garfin Is Not Quite Ready To Bid Farewell To Jordan Kent After Superman & Lois Season 4

"I think I'm still going to say goodbye for a long time to come."

ScreenRant: What is your state of mind right now, we're halfway through the season almost. Do you feel like the end is coming, or is it going to hit you once we get to the final week?

Alex Garfin: It's strange, because we've had many phases of ending the show. I was saying this to all the people that work on this show that were behind the scenes during all the drama of season 3, when we thought the thing was going to end, all the drama of coming back for season 4, but most of the cast wasn't there. You know that trope in a fantasy movie where they got a big giant storm in the gates of the castle and all the archers, they're plucking it full of arrows, and the guy looks like he's full of toothpicks.

Then eventually, one just shoots it right in the eye, and then it falls over. That's basically Superman & Lois, a real behemoth of a show on a behemoth of a franchise that just died this death of a thousand cuts. All the while, I think, that the people behind the scenes made sure that the quality stayed the same, which is just insane because if you were on the set between season 1 and season 4, it was very noticeable! You couldn't not notice a budget cut that drastic, a cast cut that drastic, the crew changes, but everyone did unbelievable quantities of work to make sure the quality stayed up all four seasons. That being said, we've had many endings of the show, so I thought the show was over [with] season 3. I said goodbye to everyone. It really looked like we weren't coming back, which is crazy because even as soon as midway through season 3, we thought this thing was going 8-9 seasons.

I can't speak about it too much yet, but maybe after the show's over, we even had a plan for what those seasons were going to look like. So by the end of season 3, I said goodbye to everyone. I thought that this show was this crazy whirlwind of a blessing that came into my life for three years. I couldn't exactly be angry. I was grateful that it happened, and then we got picked up for season 4 and that's also really crazy. You said goodbye to a big portion of people that you saw reoccurring, and then you say goodbye again. But because I said goodbye so completely in season three, it didn't feel as bad.

But yesterday I had a bit of a realization because episode 4 aired, and I realized how much I missed Jordan. All things being said, I didn't watch the episode. I still get weird feelings by watching myself, but I did want to talk about what was on the episode, so I reread the script, and I was doing my thing of going through these scripts and seeing where my character is and what my character does in the script, and I realized how much I miss Jordan. I kind of grew attached to this kid that I got to play for so long. He has a beautiful soul, even if no one else sees it. So that all being said, I think I'm still going to say goodbye for a long time to come, not just to the people, but to the character too.

Alex Garfin On The Freedom Of Playing An Original Character In Superman & Lois

"You're not beholden to what people have done before you, or you at least don't think you are."

As someone who's been watching since season 1, Jordan was always someone that resonated most with me because there were times when he reminded me a lot about myself when I was his age. You're one of the few actors on the show who gets to play someone whom we don't know from the comics. We don't have this mythology; we don't have this kind of comic bible. This isn't like Jonathan Kent, who people already have a perception of. You guys could go in very different directions with Jordan.

Alex Garfin: I think that's part of the intrigue, right? The show as a whole, really, and by the way, you'll see that and what we do in the finale. It's crazy.

What are [your] theories? You've got to give me some of these theories!

I think that Clark is going to be retiring and that you two will be the Supermen of the world. You guys will be flying together, saving the world. He's going to be training you guys, and he gets to live a normal life just with Lois because that heart of Grandpa Lane, it helps, but it has restrictions

Alex Garfin: I can't say it...That's an interesting theory. I'm not going to lie. I also liked hearing the alternate theories. I'm pretty sure all theories of how this ended went through the writer's room. So I'm wondering, by hearing what the fans are thinking, it's probably also a window into what some of the writers were thinking as well. The writers are also just fans. That's pretty good.

The writers got to use the comics as a bit of a sandbox to build whatever little castle they wanted, and I think that's for the best because when you have, now, 85 years of canon behind you, it's the oldest superhero really, at least when we think of superhero. It's the first one we think of, and it can trap you up. I think when you're trying to write to that, I can't speak to it personally, but you would have so many things that it's impossible not to retcon, and it's hard to make a new story. So they took inspiration from the comics and created the show that you see. Part of that is my character and my character at the time, I didn't know what they were doing with him. I didn't know that he was even going to start saving people or get a suit at all, even the suit that you guys have seen.

I think that's part of the intrigue of the show. I'm very happy to be playing an original character because it sets you free as an actor. You're not beholden to what people have done before you, or you at least don't think you are. I know that Tyler and Bitsie also made sure that they weren't beholden to what other people have done by not watching it at times, I had nothing to watch, so it's pretty good. I would always like to be able to play original characters and franchises.

Alex Garfin On If Jordan And Sarah Will Have A Happy Ending In Superman & Lois

Something we got to see again was you and Inde finally getting to work together again. I think because of the wait between seasons 3 and 4, I felt like it's been almost two years since we saw you guys together. How was it finally getting to revisit that, and should Sarah/Jordan shippers hold out hope?

Alex Garfin: What's the ship name now, by the way now? Is it Jarah Is it Sordan? Neither option was very good, if I remember correctly. It was Sordan or Jarah, [which] by the way, sound like they should be in Star Wars. Inde and I, our offscreen relationship, has changed and fluctuated over the years so much nowadays, I'd consider her one of my closest friends. I was just living at her house in Los Angeles for six days a week ago, and I think you also see elements of that off-screen relationship in how Sarah and Jordan are portrayed given Sarah is, I think, close to who Inde was when she was a little younger maybe. I'm not sure, maybe she can speak on that.

I know that Jordan is quite far from who I am, but channelling the offscreen relationship into the one that you see has been interesting, and seeing them together for the first time, again, it was a little bizarre. It's one of those moments that you start to connect to your younger self because we also had a year off of shooting between that and then most of that time in season 4 in the beginning, you get to see her. So it felt like you were calling back something that you haven't visited in a while, and I think you feel that with the characters as well as they're trying to move on in their own lives and figure out the place for each other in each other's lives.

Can we expect a happy ending? Because I know Wolé Parks revealed to us recently that everyone is back for the Superman & Lois series finale, which I'm so happy about. What are the chances that we see a Happily Ever After for the two of them again? We got to remember, this is the girl that he said years ago that, 'I'm going to marry her. I'm going to marry this girl. I want her to know everything about me!' So what can you tease?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: I think they find their own version of a Happily Ever After. I think it's a very Jordan and Sarah ending that I hope the fans will find satisfying. I also think it's going to be a little cobblestone in the whole finale, where the finale is just this massive, massive episode. Greg Smith directed it, we had a lot less time to shoot it than obviously most shows would, given our budget, but it kicks ass. The team came together in epic superhero fashion to make that finale what it was by how the page goes, pretty much. I believe it's bigger than the pilot, that's how big the finale is. It's a huge, huge undertaking of an episode, and it came out brilliantly. So Sarah, Jarah, and Sordan make their appearance as well, but there's going to be a lot going on. I think it's going to be fantastic.

Alex Garfin On Jordan Going Through His Darkest Superman & Lois Season Yet

This has been one of his darkest seasons that we've seen, and one of the things that really stood out to me was, of course, seeing Jordan and his dynamic with Lex. You and Michael Cudlitz absolutely crushed it. With the whole thing with the heart and everything, when you read just that initial script for what was going to go down in episode 2, were you shocked at how dark the show was going to put Jordan through with Superman's death and how it was going to affect him specifically?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Yes. In short, yes, and I think we could speak about this probably more after the finale airs. But this goes along with [how] they had a completely different plan for the show, because they thought it was going quite some time, and that season 3 was supposed to dove into season 4, and it was relating to season 5, even. So the writers, when we got the news that there'd be less cast, less budget, and only 10 episodes, I think they pulled out all the stops that they knew they couldn't really write their way out of, and that's why the season's so phenomenal. In 10 episodes, these writers figured out how to condense everything they wanted to do in these 10 episodes. Part of that is that they had to really change the plan for Jordan, and he was going to fall into this darker place.

I think the one thing that we constantly see Jordan trying to do is, he tries to be a good person, and he just doesn't know how. He thinks that he knows better at times when he doesn't, but he also thought he's the only one to save his father, and that other people were stopping him from that goal because they were worried for him. It was this act of almos self-sabotage or self-sacrifice, but he thought he was getting to that heart, and he fell right into Luther's trap, and I think how we play that, at least how in my mind, is that experience was extremely traumatizing for him, so he was completely powerless, again, like he was before. He had the powers, and now, if you've caught up, that Jonathan has powers as well, which by the way, is the biggest spoiler of all time, and even just saying that in an interview, a chill went down my spine. I'm like, 'Okay, that came out, right?!'

The episode came out, it came out! [laughs] You're good.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Jonathan can just do all the things that Jordan wanted to do. It's the story of Jordan's life besides these last two years, and canonically I believe it's only two years. When Jonathan wants to save someone, he doesn't screw it up. Everyone trusts him immediately. They didn't trust Jordan for two years. People love him. It's all new, and I don't think Jordan feels snarky about that, at least in my mind. I think Jordan's genuinely happy this weight's off his shoulders because he couldn't take it anymore. I don't think he could do it. I don't know if he was in the position of growth to really take that mantle, and he knows that now, and I don't know. It is tough for him. I think sometimes you go through the most growth when you go through it alone, and Lois is dealing with a lot, and Jonathan's dealing with the world, and Sarah is dealing with her own life, so there's Jordan. He's going to have to grow.

I wanted to ask you about it. I re-watched the episode last night, and I was sobbing like crazy. Even though he says that he have some things to figure out, but when he hands off the suit, I'm still feeling like, 'Oh my God, this is gut-wrenching,' in a lot of ways. So what are some things he needs to figure out that you could, perhaps tease without giving much too much away, but what is this soul journey that he's going to go on?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: I think what this character's been going through this whole time, his growth, but also I think people have this strange expectation when it comes to character development that it goes against the way that people normally develop. People think it's this linear progression, 'Oh, he learned from this mistake, so it'll go to this one, this one,' I think it's a little more stock market that just kind finds its way, if we're lucky, the stock market eventually will keep going up, but there are a lot of crashes along the way, and I think we can legitimately see some growth from Jordan as this season concludes. How can I tease this... I think we'll see the whole family take up new phases of their life. That's a tease!

That's a very good tease.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: You feel teased, okay. I just want to make sure everyone felt teased here! [laughs]

Alex Garfin On Potential Costume Upgrade In Superman & Lois Season 4

Also, when I thought about him giving the suit up, I'm thinking, 'Is it also because he's maybe going for a new look?' You guys have been filming inside a lot this season. We haven't seen you guys on location that much, so I was kind like, 'What are they hiding? What could they be hiding?!' Am I anywhere remotely close or on the right track?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: You know what we're hiding? [laughs] We're hiding our budget!

The show still looks great, though!

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: It comes out of the writing, the directing, it comes down to all the producing. You don't notice that we were pretty poor [in] the last season. We didn't have the barn in the fourth season. You know all those outside shots of the Kent family? Those don't exist. We didn't have the house, [it] was demolished in season 3 [when] we didn't think we were coming back.

The farmhouse, there was an empty house in a field. We had the inside sets in another location altogether. That outside set was extremely hard to shoot at, but also the people that own the land, I don't know if they'd really want us there anymore. I don't know what the drama was. All those scenes of outside are in a studio, that's why we're always at night on the porch because it's easier. It is easier to be in a black void. There was a genius shot in this last episode that Greg Smith did where he put the camera through Kyle's apartment - because all the sets are next to each other in the studio - he demolished the wall of Kyle's apartment to get a farther away view of the Kent porch that we built on the inside, and it looks like it's outside. You don't even understand the amount of ingenuity that went into making sure just these small things were noticed. We didn't have the place where the main characters live. It just didn't exist. It's an empty field now.

In episode 4, and that was the one I shadowed as well. I shadowed Greg Smith, the producing director, brilliant dude, lovely guy, great friend of mine. Now, we have that scene where Clark and Lois are running to embrace each other - that house, anytime you see the house in the background of that, it's CGI'd in.

That did not look like CGI! I cannot wait now to do a whole binge of the whole season and kind of be like, 'Oh, that's what he was talking about.' Major shout to the whole production team of Superman & Lois who was juggling all of this.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: They're not only brilliant, they're also really nice people, which is not the usual on shows like this, so I've heard, this is my first big project, so really incredible human beings behind this project from the top to the bottom. Todd Helbing and Brent Fletcher are just brilliant and so unbelievably kind, great leaders for this whole thing, all the way down to every single PA that had to put in extra hours to make this work. This was a labor of love in a way that I don't think many shows are, but yeah, that's why you won't see us outside. [laughs]

I thought you really were keeping a lot of spoilers because I'm like, 'We haven't seen Tyler a lot on set.' Until we got the episode, I think, it was 9 or 10, that's when the first set photo came out. 'I'm like, 'Oh, that's the only photo we have of him in the suit this season!'

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Notice if we are outside, it's usually in, I think I can tease this that's no spoiler. We have a scene coming up in episode 5 that is in a French café. Not a big one. If you can only imagine, it's like a little scene in a French café. We have a shot of a French café, and that shot is obviously, outdoors, but notice we're in the middle of a field. We actually went out to the middle of nowhere and just dressed this old building as a French café. All these outdoor shots you'll notice are in probably cheaper locations and shutting down a whole street somewhere. It's pretty crazy. And the Smallville back lot, that's all ours, that belongs to Warner Brors., so we can get exteriors there.

Alex Garfin On Personal Upcoming Superman & Lois Season 4 Episodes

Out of the remaining episodes, outside of the finale, do you have a personal favorite that you're excited for fans to see? Particularly for Jordan's development that we've kind of been touching upon?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Yeah. I'm trying to rack my brain. Episode 5 [was the one] Elizabeth Henstridge directed - episode 6 episode someone else directed. There was episode [8] that Michael Cudlitz directed. I'm just a big fan of Michael, I just really like the guy. I think he's a brilliant actor and also a brilliant director. I'd also have to say episode 9 and the finale are two huge episodes. Everyone develops in a lot of interesting ways. Again, I really think the fans will be happy. It's a shame that this show couldn't have continued on. As a young actor myself, it's not particularly a terrible thing for my career as it stands to come off a show while it's still good and successful. It doesn't suffer from the decline in quality [that] a lot of shows do.

As an actor, just creatively, I really liked the show. It was a great group of people. They were pretty great characters. You got to do family drama stuff and also action hero stuff, which is just a rare combination, and also what a great way to just build a portfolio, as well. Not to put it like that, but it was just a pretty phenomenal experience all along, all around. So yeah, man, I hope the fans see it the same. You kind of got a bit of everything going on.

But I think that's why Superman & Lois has stood out so much because we've had a lot of Superman and Lois Lane over the last three-four decades, but again, just the idea of them settling down as a family while also juggling, being reporters, being teenagers and being superheroes. That's definitely not something we see every day, especially in this genre that's gone through so many changes in just so little time.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Right, it's crazy. It's really an awesome show, it really is. I think we cooked on this one.

You were talking a little bit about how Jordan has been feeling about Jonathan now that he has power. As he's going through this phase right now of, I guess, being the second Superboy in a lot of ways, is that something that Jordan comes to acceptance with, at some point? Because this is the thing with them, they're both flawed teenagers, so that's why I feel like a lot of these reactions are very natural. I feel like if they had been adults, I would've been like, 'Okay, guys, let's just calm down a little bit. It's going to be fine.' What can you speak on that?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: I think when it comes to Jordan, the one thing that really comes to mind is that this kid's traumatized. The last time he tried to do something like this, there wasn't too much of a gap, between in terms of the timing in the show, between the scenes in the crate and Jonathan getting powers, I believe they happened one or two days apart. The last time Jordan ever tried to do something super was when this horrifying thing happened to him, so I think Jordan is terrified of it. I think he's traumatized from it. I think there's a lot of PTSD.

I don't think he's too eager to get back into the game, and I think when he sees Jonathan is more capable than he was, he's relieved, and he's concerned about his brother too. He loves his brother. He wants to make sure that he can impart. I think you'll start to see that. You want to see that he can impart some wisdom on Jonathan as well. Does he stay there forever? I'll leave that for the show to parse out over time, but that's what we can expect from him, given his current state, as you guys know it.

Alex Garfin On Other Phases Of Jordan's Life He'd Have Wanted To Explore If Superman & Lois Continued

I know you talked about that you're very happy with where the finale goes, and again, you guys were told or expected the show to gone a little bit longer, but are there other phases of Jordan's life that you wish you could have explored while the show was still on, if Superman & Lois had gone on for a little bit?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Yeah, there's a lot, honestly, and I think again, it comes down to the show is called Superman and Lois ultimately, that's who the show is going to be about, and I think as Michael [Bishop] and obviously Jordan Elsass and I were leads of this show, the two real name stars of the show are, of course, going to take that precedent when it comes to story. I do know that there are actors out there that shake their fists and go, 'Oh, I wish they gave me more here!' and I completely get that, but I think, ultimately, it's a team sport, so I'm very grateful for everything I've gotten to play. Given a perfect world, given there was some sort of spinoff or whatever, I really would've liked to explore Jordan and Jonathan's social life a little more.

Those scenes in episode 3x02, Elizabeth Henstridge directed it, so much fun. It's the one where Jonathan, Jordan, Natalie, and Sarah all go to that party. The cup gets thrown and they're kids, and those are the best scenes to shoot in terms of having fun on set because we were friends with all the people that played every one of those little characters, and those are the people I grew up with in a lot of ways.

She's so good, and I never got to do this with her. I got too busy in season 4, but every time a supporting character would come onto the show. I would always take them out for dinner as a welcome to the show, and sometimes other cast members would join me, especially in the beginning. Eventually, it just became my little quest. I just always wanted to make sure that everyone on the show felt really welcome. Anytime a writer came up from LA, and these are people that they've written for but they don't really know yet, I would always go for Ethiopian food, believe it or not. Which by the way, it's great because you're literally breaking bread. You eat it with your hands. Have you ever had Ethiopian food?

I have not, but I am also the one who craves food that you just eat with your hands. Who the heck wants the fork and knife anyway, these days.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: That's what I mean. We got to return to our roots, so either that or we'd get dosas, but you also eat with your hands. I don't know why it was always eating with your hands food. I think it was just because you were quite literally breaking bread of the Injera and you get this subconscious trust, so those days were really fun because those are the days where it all paid off, or you feel like these people were friends off camera. Therefore, even though we only get a couple [of] little spurts, it feels like they have chemistry, and that's something that I really prided myself on. I really took pride in trying to make happen with the show, and I know everyone had their part in that as well.

Something that I've loved seeing since season, and again, I know it can be subtle when this happens, but when Michael Bishop came in as Jonathan Kent, I kept thinking that you guys are twins. You're so identical. I think you guys were at a Warner Bros. event the other week, and I couldn't tell you two apart.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: That's crazy!

What can you tease about some scenes you have with him this season? Again, I love the brotherly dynamic, and just how they're both very, very different, but again, they're still teenagers, they're still flawed, and despite the great things Jon can do, I'm sure he has a lot of things to learn.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Well, I think you get a lot of them, considering there's only four of us, five of us, of course, if you include Michael Cudlitz, who plays Lex Luthor, who you would not expect in the family dynamic. That duo is always present in the show, so you'll get plenty more of Jordan and Jonathan to come. Michael Bishop does a phenomenal job. It was really great to work with him. That scene in episode 3 where he gets powers, he killed it. I took a lot of spit to the face in that scene. I don't know if you could tell! [laughs]

I saw a little bit in the light when you guys were in there.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Again, as an actor, you want your scene partner to be into it. You'd be an asshole. I'll just say it. If you, for some reason, take into account the person kind of spitting on you when they're speaking. If we were doing a play, and that was every night, then you kind of get into some other territory. But for what we had to do that like seven or eight times, that's not a crazy amount, and if it means I get to watch a cast make kill it, it means I get to watch my cast mate kill it. That's a small price to pay, and I think it was a moment that the fans were really anticipating as well.

The Tragic Doomsday Origin & Potential Showdown In Superman & Lois Season 4

"We've established that there are a lot of parallel universes, so why does he care so much about this one?"

Speaking of moments and expectations, because something I keep wondering if it's going to happen is...we've seen a lot of Superman with Doomsday, but we know Doomsday is still out there, but did you maybe get to do something because I just want to see kids punching that freak out.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: I always mention this to Todd that Doomsday really had a rough goal about it. If we think about the character arc: [he] started out as a Superman of another Earth. The only difference is that he was a little more insecure. That's the only difference between the two.

A little insecure?! [laughs]

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: Okay, he was pretty insecure! You know what...sounds like Jordan! The sun was red for some reason, a giant cult, so he goes into this fame life. His wife is a bit more of meh with the fame. Everyone's fame-obsessed, but nothing unheard of. It doesn't really make him a bad guy until all of a sudden it starts to make him a bad guy. He starts to become an evil guy, but then this cult takes over the world, and he really tries to stop it, but it doesn't work. So then he finds out about this other world and selflessly sacrifices himself to save a world he doesn't even belong to.

By the way, we've established that there are a lot of parallel universes, so why does he care so much about this one? Well, he just has a big heart, in the end of the day. He is a drug addict. Through it all, he powered through, that's all to say that he gets killed and then brought back to life, painfully, then killed again, brought back to life painfully over and over again until he becomes an unrecognizable human, not human alien, monolith, a meat obelisk, if you will of his former self, who is just spurred with anger and doesn't even know where he is. Now what? Now he's destroying the world that he sacrificed himself to save, and he's basically like a lapdog for an evil dude. Bizarro is the real victim of the events of Superman & Lois. Yes. If we're being real, that's all to say, yeah, well, I cannot spoil if Jordan ever fights Doomsday. That's above my pay grade.

When he's actually doing scenes, is there an actor that is just doing motion capture, are you guys looking at someone??

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: It's still Tyler In there! He's the one doing the facial expressions, and it's Paul [Lazenby,] former wrestler, super talented guy who did a lot of on-the-day stuff, and I'm not sure if Paul also did a lot of the mocap towards the end as well, but I do know Tyler did a huge amount of the face stuff. Bizarro's still in there.

Alex Garfin On A Potential Future In James Gunn's DC Universe After Superman & Lois

Would you want to keep being in this genre -if you got the chance, let's say James Gunn gives you a call about coming over? They're doing new interpretation of these DC heroes or villains. Is either of those two territories something you would be down for, and do you have any wishes [in terms of roles] on your wish list?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: If I got that call, it'd be a different conversation. Obviously, in reality versus in theory, the characters I really want to play is probably something a little closer to myself now, though. I got to play this very subdued, very complex [character,] which is beautiful, and I'm so grateful I got to play it, but I would love to do someone that's a little more extroverted like myself and try to show off a bit of range here. I can't speak about it, but I got really, really close to a project just like that. It didn't work out, but it's how it is.

That's kind of what I'm going for now, is probably something more along the lines of actually something that James Gunn would write. I know he's a little bit more into making a comic book look like a comic book. He did that so brilliantly in his Suicide Squad, which is a rare time. I've seen a comic book movie. I know he did that with Guardians of the Galaxy. It has this fun to it. So if I got a call to try to do something similar and things were a little more James Gunn-y, I wouldn't be opposed. But then again, a lot of actors out there, and I think I would love to give someone else an opportunity as well.

How are you feeling about the new direction for Superman with David Corenswet, from what we've seen and heard so far, as someone who's been part of this franchise now for all these years?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin:​​​​​​​ Look, I feel my personal belief is that the two were different enough [that] they could have coexisted.

Look, it looks very different. I think that's why James Gunn is so good at what he does, is that he makes it look - it's not campy per se - It's more like it just has this veneer of you're watching something that is a little bit elevated from reality, which is very different from that Christopher Nolan's school of when we saw the Dark Knight movies. They were so incredible because they're like, 'Whoa, this looks like real life, and these characters are so interesting and dark,' and I think Superman & Lois falls a little bit more in that Nolan-esque school of grounding these characters in something, whereas from other work I've seen of James Gunn, he goes the other direction, which I think is brilliant in itself. I don't know what his plan is with the Superman movie. I haven't spoken to him. I've actually never met the guy. We've talked on Instagram briefly, so we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.

I know he was a supporter of the show, and again, I agree with you that I feel like these two things could have co-existed. I've always loved how DC is always like, 'We love the multiverse!' but only when it fits them.

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: It looks like they're trying a new strategy. I don't really know. I also know there are a lot of bigger mechanisms that work here. Warner Bros. also went through a transition. There's a lot - the entire state of the entertainment industry is in a state of transition that I don't know if we're going to get out of anytime soon. I definitely think it hit its bottom with the strike, but we'll never see it was almost. It was a bit of a bubble in a way that they thought there was demand for all these very niche shows, and they kept making more and more and more content, and eventually there wasn't enough screen time because our eyes were being drifted away now to TikTok and Instagram. So whether or not James Gunn, taking it back to Superman & Lois, just wants to captain this ship in a way that he knows will work given that everything's in flux. Who knows? It's a business decision at the end of the day.

What's Next For Alex Garfin After Superman & Lois?

Now, as you're also promoting Superman & Lois, what else are you working on right now that we can look forward to? Anything that you can talk about that won't get you in trouble? What are you cooking over there?

​​​​​​​Alex Garfin: What I cooking over here, I can't talk about the acting stuff. That is all top secret stuff, but I'm still doing some stuff over at the UN, actually, believe it or not. I'm going to try to get together a big conference of influencers and people of note to talk about the importance of fact-checking anything they may post to try to nip misinformation in the bud a little bit. I'm also starting this video series that I can't announce yet that is self-produced along those same humanitarian lines, so I'm working hard on that. I have another meeting for that tonight and then all day tomorrow that I'm interspersing with every time I have to go away to Los Angeles or something to act. So, yeah, craziness and my life is very busy right now.

More About Superman & Lois Season 4

Season four of SUPERMAN & LOIS picks up right where last season left off: with Superman (Tyler Hoechlin) and Luthor’s monster locked in a ferocious, moon-wrecking battle, as Clark (Tyler Hoechlin) fights for his life against the seemingly unstoppable creature. Back on the ground, General Lane (guest star Dylan Walsh) struggles to stay alive after being kidnapped by Luthor’s henchmen, while Lois (Elizabeth Tulloch), Jordan (Alex Garfin), and Jonathan (Michael Bishop) race against time to rescue him. But standing in their way is Lex Luthor (Michael Cudlitz) himself, who has permanently moved to Smallville as the next step in his malicious plan to destroy Lois Lane. Meanwhile, Lana Lang (guest star Emanuelle Chriqui) uses her position as Mayor to fight back against Luthor’s schemes, a move which puts her in the sights of the most dangerous man in the world and threatens everything she holds dear.

This includes her relationship with John Henry Irons (guest star Wolé Parks), who must put his Ironworks plans on hold and rejoin the DOD, now that General Lane is missing. But they aren’t the only duo in trouble, as Chrissy Beppo (guest star Sofia Hasmik) and Kyle Cushing (guest star Eric Valdez) face an uphill battle of their own, with countless roadblocks that threaten to ruin their future together. Amid all the chaos, Sarah Cortez (guest star Inde Navarette) and Natalie Irons (guest star Tayler Buck) also join the fight against Luthor, while both facing impossible decisions about their paths in life. And as Clark’s battle with the terrifying monster continues, Lois, her boys, and the world must face an unthinkable possibility: what if Superman never returns?

Check out our other interviews with more Superman & Lois cast members:

• Wolé Parks (John Henry Irons/Steel)
• Chad Coleman (Bruno Mannheim)
• Daya Vaidya (Peia Mannheim/Onomatopoeia)
• Michael Cudlitz (Lex Luthor) - Part 1
• Michael Cudlitz (Lex Luthor) - Part 2

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