Travis Kelce Is "All In" on Taylor Swift, According to a Body Language Expert

When Taylor Swift joined Travis Kelce and Jason Kelce on their "New Heights" podcast on Aug. 13, it wasn't just another celebrity interview . . . it was a relationship milestone. Yes, it was the first podcast Taylor has ever appeared on, but it was also the first time Swifties got an unfiltered look at her relationship with Travis outside of paparazzi photos and Kansas City Chiefs games.

Sitting next to each other, the couple talked about everything from her Eras Tour and buying her masters to granny hobbies and Travis's oddly passionate love for otters. But surprisingly, what Taylor and Travis talked about was the least interesting part of the podcast episode. The way they interacted with each other — the touching, the teasing, the admiring eye rolls from Travis every time Taylor used a big word — is what locked me in.

Like numerology and aura readings, body language can reveal a lot about a couple's connection and compatibility. And to me, their chemistry felt palpable — like I was watching a private moment I shouldn't have had access to. According to body language expert Nicole Moore, it's clear that Travis and Taylor may very much be the end game.

"I did suspect that this was a PR relationship when they first got together, but this interview put any of the questions about how real their connection is to rest," Moore says. Below, Moore shares more about Travis and Taylor's relationship, according to their body language.

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What to Know About Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's Relationship, According to Their Body Language

1. Taylor Loves and Accepts Travis For Who He Is

"You know how to ball, I know Aristotle" could not be a better lyric to describe these two. When Taylor used the word "fortuitous" early on in the podcast episode, she jokingly turned to Travis and said, "You don't know what those words mean" and cupped his chin with her right hand. "Her body language indicated that she meant the comment in a loving way, not as a criticism," Moore says.

Taylor followed up her comment by saying, "You're so handsome" to Travis, which was her attempt to "reassure Travis of her love," Moore says. "It gave the impression that she accepts Travis as he is rather than wishing his vocabulary was different."

2. Taylor May Be Slightly Uncomfortable Receiving Affection

Although Taylor is best known for her emotional storytelling and songwriting, Moore says that Taylor struggles to fully receive affection at times without deflecting it with a joke.

"When Travis was speaking at length about how impressed he was with Taylor when he met her, Taylor hit Travis's arm in an almost brotherly way and then leaned on his shoulder as if she were leaning on a friend," Moore says. "The fact that Taylor snapped into a friendly and joking demeanor when hearing Travis's glowing praise may indicate that she's uncomfortable with direct affection."

At another point in the episode, Travis referred to Taylor as the "greatest songwriter of all time," and though she acknowledged his comment by leaning her head toward him, she also cracked a joke saying, "Says her boyfriend." According to Moore, "It's almost as if Taylor has her heart open to Travis, but she's also subconsciously creating separation, perhaps as a defense mechanism or as a default way of being she created long before she met Travis."

3. Taylor Has Fully Let Travis Into Her World

When Jason asked Taylor about the Eras Tour, before responding to the question, she immediately turned to look at Travis and smiled at him. "Her body language indicates here that she sees Travis as someone who shared that experience with her," Moore says. "It was a subtle body language tell to indicate that Taylor really has let Travis into her world, even if her body language appears stiffer and more controlled than his most of the time."

4. Travis Is Very Connected to Taylor Emotionally

When Taylor shared what it was like to buy back her masters, Travis, knowing how important and monumental this process has been for her, was soft smiling the entire time. "This indicated he was so in tune with what she was saying and so invested in it," Moore says. To me, it almost felt like, even though he had heard the story many times before, he was so proud and happy to hear her retell it.

At another point in the episode, Taylor placed her hands around Travis's face, and he returned the affection by kissing her hand. "Travis's body language truly suggested he's very in love to the point where it's just spilling out of him and he has to touch, kiss, or hold Taylor as much as he can to share the love," Moore adds.

5. Travis Doesn't Want to Disappoint Taylor

Although Travis seemed more comfortable and relaxed during the podcast recording, Moore says there were many moments that indicated he is hyperaware of his actions with Taylor.

"When Travis mentioned that he never would have asked Taylor to come on the podcast, he turned his head downward with a bashful expression," Moore says. "It definitely appears that Travis respects Taylor in a way that also makes him very afraid to let her down or lose her positive impression of him."

6. Taylor Is More Reserved When Showing Her Love

There's no denying that the couple is very much in love with each other, but, when it comes to how they interact, Travis is more open.

"From their body language, it definitely appears as if Travis is 100 percent all in, merging with Taylor — not in a codependent way, but in an 'I'm obsessed with you and I don't care who knows it' way," Moore says. "Taylor may actually be obsessed with Travis too, but she's not going to let the full intensity of her emotion out for the whole world to see."

Although many people would expect Taylor, the songwriter, to be more affectionate, Travis leads the emotional connection, Moore says. "While Taylor's body language clearly showed her affection for Travis, she never dipped into the typical body language of 'a woman obsessed with a man.' She's softened for Travis, but at the same time she's not codependent with him in any way."

7. Taylor Is Happy to Be Travis's Girlfriend, but She's Not Going to Lose Herself in the Relationship

For years, Taylor has been painted as a crazy cat lady who loses herself in every new relationship. But in all actuality, her body language in this episode shows that she's not going to make herself smaller because she's dating a football player like Travis. After every "close" moment with Travis where she would smile at him or gaze into his eyes, Moore noticed that Taylor would immediately readjust her body and pull her posture back up afterward.

"From her body language, it's clear that while Taylor is happy to be Travis's girlfriend, she's never going to lose who she is to be in the relationship with him. It's almost as if she's always aware, at all times, even when she's with her boyfriend, that she's also Taylor Swift," Moore says.

Taylor Andrews is the senior balance editor at Popsugar, specializing in topics relating to sex, relationships, dating, sexual health, mental health, travel, and more. With eight years of editorial experience, Taylor has a strong background in content creation and storytelling. Prior to joining PS in 2021, she worked at Cosmopolitan.